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  1. So — have been messing about with this thing for about four months now and it’s basically bookmarked at this point, so thought I’d chuck my thoughts in since someone asked me a few days back. I’m based in the UK, generally do football and horses, a fiver here and there, for context.

    What got me on it was genuinely pretty stupid — I could never work out what an ew return actually was with 1/5 odds a place. I’d just eyeball it and then be surprised. Now I type the odds in first, every time, even a simple single bet.

    Their single bet calculator tool is the one I use most — you put in stake and odds and it spits out returns straight away, fractions or decimals. There’s also the multiples — trebles returns, lucky 15 and lucky 63, yankees, honestly that’s where I’d always got it wrong. Have a go yourself, it’s here each way lucky 15 calculator and it’s free with no account nonsense.

    One thing that really shifted things for me were the nerdier bits. The probability calculator which shows you the overround, and there’s the kelly staking tool — I use half kelly because full kelly is terrifying. The dutching one gets used a fair bit for when I’m splitting a race.

    Not all sunshine though. Its design looks a bit basic — not much polish, which honestly I don’t mind but some will. On mobile it’s usable though the lucky 63 breakdown make you pinch and zoom. Also there’s no proper app, it’s a website and that’s it — slight shame just flagging it.

    Right, that’s me. Costs nowt, not plastered in adverts, does the job. If anyone still does the maths on paper, have a look — saved me a fair few “wait, that’s it?” moments.

  2. Right — have been messing about with this thing for something like a few months now and I keep coming back, reckon I’d write something up since a lad on another thread asked me last week. Am based in the UK, mostly do football and horses, nothing mad, just so you know where I’m coming from.

    The reason I started using it was actually pretty stupid — I couldn’t ever work out what an ew return would be once you get five places instead of three. I used to just guess and moan when the payout landed. These days I stick my stake in first, every time, even a simple single bet.

    The single bet calculator tool is the one I open most — you drop in stake and odds and it spits out profit and total return instantly, fractional or decimal, doesn’t matter. Same tool covers the multiples — trebles returns, lucky 15s, a yankee, and that’s where I’d always mess it up. If you fancy a poke about, it’s here cross and double bet calculator free and it’s free with no account nonsense.

    The thing that genuinely made a difference were the nerdier bits. There’s an probability calculator which shows you the overround, and there’s the kelly criterion tool — I use half kelly as the full version is a quick route to a dead bankroll. The dutching one is decent if I’m covering two or three runners.

    Couple of gripes. Its interface looks pretty plain — not much frills, looks like it was built by someone who cares more about maths than colours. On mobile it’s fine but the bigger tables make you pinch and zoom. Also there’s nothing on the app store, it’s browser only — fine by me but worth saying.

    Anyway. Free, no ads shoved in your face, works. Anyone who honestly adds it up in their head, give it a go — saved me plenty of arguments with the bookie.

  3. OK — been using this thing for about four months now and it’s stuck on my phone, so thought I’d chuck my thoughts in since a lad on another thread asked me a few days back. Am UK based, mainly do football and horses, small stakes, so take it how you like.

    The reason I started using it was genuinely pretty stupid — I never could figure out what an e/w payout actually was once you get five places instead of three. I’d just eyeball it and get a shock. Now type the odds in first, every time, even a simple single bet.

    Their single bet calculator is the one I open most — you drop in the price and your stake and you get returns with no faffing, fractional or decimal, doesn’t matter. It also handles the bigger stuff — trebles returns, a lucky 15, a yankee, which is where I’d always mess it up. Have a go yourself, it lives at each way bet calculator william hill and it’s free with no account nonsense.

    What actually shifted things for me is the geekier bits. The probability converter that shows what margin’s baked in, plus a kelly tool — I use half kelly since full stakes are a quick route to a dead bankroll. The dutch tool gets used a fair bit if I’m spreading across selections.

    It’s not perfect mind. The design feels pretty plain — not much frills, looks like it was built by someone who cares more about maths than colours. Phone-wise it’s fine but the lucky 63 breakdown are a squeeze. Also there’s no app, it’s a website and that’s it — fine by me just flagging it.

    Anyway. Doesn’t cost anything, barely any ads, does the job. If you still adds it up in their head, have a look — saved me a fair few “wait, that’s it?” moments.

  4. OK — been using this thing for maybe five months now and it’s stuck on my phone, reckon I’d write something up since someone asked me the other day. I’m based in the UK, mostly do football and horses, small stakes, so take it how you like.

    The reason I started using it was genuinely embarrassing — I couldn’t ever figure out what an each way return would be when the place terms changed. Basically I’d wing it and moan when the payout landed. These days I punch the numbers in before every slip, even the boring singles.

    Their single bet calculator tool is the bit I’m on daily — you drop in your stake, the odds and it spits out profit and total return instantly, fractions or decimals. It also handles the bigger stuff — acca and treble returns, lucky 15s, yankees, and that’s where I’d always got it wrong. If you want a look, it’s over at vig free calculator and it’s free with no account nonsense.

    One thing that genuinely changed how I bet is the nerdier tools. There’s an implied probability calculator and it makes obvious what margin’s baked in, and there’s the kelly staking calculator — I run quarter kelly since full stakes are a quick route to a dead bankroll. The dutch tool gets used a fair bit for when I’m covering two or three runners.

    Couple of gripes. Its layout feels a bit basic — no frills, looks like it was built by someone who cares more about maths than colours. Phone-wise it’s usable but the bigger tables are a squeeze. There’s no app, it’s a website and that’s it — doesn’t bother me just flagging it.

    Right, that’s me. Doesn’t cost anything, no ads shoved in your face, does the job. Anyone who still does the maths on paper, have a look — saved me a fair few dumb bets I’d have regretted.

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